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listen, romney/ryan, romney/ryan. >> oh, sweet jesus. >> sweet jesus, indeed. >> romney/ryan, there we go, that's great. >> stop it. this is hard. you want to try it? did i -- was i a little strong? >> romney/ryan. >> not sure precisely what i said but i stand by what i said, whatever it was. ♪ cleveland rocks jumping jean james dean ♪ ♪ cleveland rocks >> we begin with the president and mitt romney in a fever-pitch to gain the american heartland with candidates holding dueling events in ohio this afternoon, speaking at exactly the same time, to somewhat different kroundz. the buckeye battle going down even as devastating new polls show serious troubles for the romney camp. hours ago the president cracked 50% in gallup's dailily tracking poll, leading romney by six points nationwide. poll this is week have shown mitt romney trailing in just about every battleground state in this campaign. but nowhere is he in deeper trouble than in the depths of ohio. yes, in case you were wri
listen, romney/ryan, romney/ryan. >> oh, sweet jesus. >> sweet jesus, indeed. >> romney/ryan, there we go, that's great. >> stop it. this is hard. you want to try it? did i -- was i a little strong? >> romney/ryan. >> not sure precisely what i said but i stand by what i said, whatever it was. ♪ cleveland rocks jumping jean james dean ♪ ♪ cleveland rocks >> we begin with the president and mitt romney in a fever-pitch to gain the american heartland...
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and let ryan be ryan. we say bring it on. let's look at the real paul ryan right here on "hardball." you're watching it. the place for politics. >>> i'm milissa. >>> welcome back to "hardball." conservatives swoon for congressman paul ryan when he was chosen for the republican ticket, but he's since played the classic role of second fiddle. moderating his positions on both fiscal and cultural issues to conform to romney's views. well, now that romney/ryan campaign is coming off a bit of a couple rough weeks there. some conservatives have just got the answer. simply let ryan be ryan. that was the advice they dished to "the new york times" today. but is that really the smart move, really? joan walsh is editor-at-large of salon and author of "what's the matter with white people." and eugene robinson is a pulitzer prize win be columnist from "the washington post." i think there are problems marrying paul ryan politically like his positions. isn't that the reason why romney kissed him, said good-bye, i like you
and let ryan be ryan. we say bring it on. let's look at the real paul ryan right here on "hardball." you're watching it. the place for politics. >>> i'm milissa. >>> welcome back to "hardball." conservatives swoon for congressman paul ryan when he was chosen for the republican ticket, but he's since played the classic role of second fiddle. moderating his positions on both fiscal and cultural issues to conform to romney's views. well, now that romney/ryan...
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yesterday paul ryan was grilled about it on, of all places, fox news. let's watch. >> how much would it cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> i'm just talking -- we'll get to -- >> the cut in tax rates will lower all americans' tax rates by 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works. >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all the math. >> this is not the first time romney was challenged, or ryan, on the vagueness of the proposal. back in 1994 romney talked about a plan to tackle health care up in massachusetts. actually nationwide. but never explained what the cost would be, the cost of the program. his opponent in the race back then was ted kennedy memorably challenging him on that debate. let's watch how it's done. here is where you challenge a guy to come clean, especially when he can't do it. let's watch. >> they ought to have an opportunity to know. what is the cost of your program? >> i don't have a cost of my program. >> y
yesterday paul ryan was grilled about it on, of all places, fox news. let's watch. >> how much would it cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> i'm just talking -- we'll get to -- >> the cut in tax rates will lower all americans' tax rates by 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works. >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through...
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if paul ryan were to actually become vice president ryan, he would find himself in countries shaking hands with and smiling at government officials who are polimyists. legal polygamyists. and vice president ryan would be doing that on behalf of a president whose great grandfather had five wives at the same time. the thing that paul ryan and mitt romney now call traditional marriage has existed in the romney family as a tradition for exactly two generations before mitt romney got married. the harvard football team has traditions much older than that. mitt romney and paul ryan rewrite all of human history when they use the phrase traditional marriage to mean a marriage between one man and one woman. now paul ryan, he may be such a callow fellow and so uneducated in the history of marriage that is he not fully aware of how big a lie he is telling when he describes traditional marriage. but mitt romney, he knows better. as does every mormon. mitt romney obviously believes he has to rewrite the history of marriage, including the history of marriage in his own family. to give moral weight
if paul ryan were to actually become vice president ryan, he would find himself in countries shaking hands with and smiling at government officials who are polimyists. legal polygamyists. and vice president ryan would be doing that on behalf of a president whose great grandfather had five wives at the same time. the thing that paul ryan and mitt romney now call traditional marriage has existed in the romney family as a tradition for exactly two generations before mitt romney got married. the...
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that paul ryan, isn't that something? wait a second. romney, ryan, romney, ryan. >> okay. so i don't know. i heard ryan there. >> it's just all awkward. >> it's all awkward. by the way, when he says he's quite a guy, isn't it? that's what i was laughing at. here's the clip that c-span ran. >> that's quite a guy, isn't it? paul ryan, isn't that something? wait a second, wait a second. romney, ryan. romney, ryan. romney, ryan. >> okay, now, you'll notice in both clips mitt looks just as goofy which caused me to react. some people heard romney. other people heard ryan. our clip from nbc, unfiltered, we ran it. politico heard ryan as well, and they report it had that way around 5:30 the afternoon of the event, which was what our staff followed. later "the new york times" wrote that the crowd was chanting "romney," then they followed with a correction that our staff read overnight saying kind of hard to follow what it was. this was among the chee-tos brigade as to whether i would vote for mitt romney, is trying to throw the election by filtering a tape and cracking a joke. real
that paul ryan, isn't that something? wait a second. romney, ryan, romney, ryan. >> okay. so i don't know. i heard ryan there. >> it's just all awkward. >> it's all awkward. by the way, when he says he's quite a guy, isn't it? that's what i was laughing at. here's the clip that c-span ran. >> that's quite a guy, isn't it? paul ryan, isn't that something? wait a second, wait a second. romney, ryan. romney, ryan. romney, ryan. >> okay, now, you'll notice in both...
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chris christie or congressman ryan? >> well, if my head is twice as big as everybody on the panel does that mean i'm twice as smart in that's the question. >> you have to take that up with them. >> i think that they're both right in a way. i don't think one singular event will testimony the outcome unless either barack obama or mitt romney says there's no soviet domination of eastern europe. i do think one singular event can be a catalyst for an eventual outcome and begin a chain of events that we look back and say that's when the eventual outcome that we saw, eventually began to show itself. i think mitt romney needs this to be that catalyst. >> okay. are you just trying to be right here? when you say they're both right it makes me think you're trying to hedge a bet here. one person said that there is not a make or break moment or they don't expect and that was paul ryan. chris christie said the next day, thursday, will be romney's time to shine because we will all be talking about how he basically hit it out of the pa
chris christie or congressman ryan? >> well, if my head is twice as big as everybody on the panel does that mean i'm twice as smart in that's the question. >> you have to take that up with them. >> i think that they're both right in a way. i don't think one singular event will testimony the outcome unless either barack obama or mitt romney says there's no soviet domination of eastern europe. i do think one singular event can be a catalyst for an eventual outcome and begin a...
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the romney campaign was furious but ryan reportedly said let the ryan be ryan and let the stench be the stench. >> he didn't really say that, did he? >> the politico, they have people in the field. >> first of all, i will have you know there's nothing that fires up a crowd like a good powerpoint presentation. so kudos to paul ryan. it's kind of funny that mitt romney wouldn't embrace the powerpoint more. since in massachusetts he was the powerpoint guy and brought out the white board to do the medicare solvent under me which i guess made it so. paul ryan realized this was not a good move for his career. he was the serious guy, all the people who do the false equivalency wanted to look at him as someone who is putting forth smart solutions. now we see the emperor had no clothes. >> and joy, the commentators who are criticizing mitt romney for not being specific on part of his tax plan, on the deduction side of his tax plan. this is exactly what paul ryan is guilty of. paul ryan knows that hang out with mitt romney has exposed him too. now, they're not aiming this at paul ryan, because ro
the romney campaign was furious but ryan reportedly said let the ryan be ryan and let the stench be the stench. >> he didn't really say that, did he? >> the politico, they have people in the field. >> first of all, i will have you know there's nothing that fires up a crowd like a good powerpoint presentation. so kudos to paul ryan. it's kind of funny that mitt romney wouldn't embrace the powerpoint more. since in massachusetts he was the powerpoint guy and brought out the...
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you would be sticking him with the paul ryan budget before he picked paul ryan. >> i'm giving myself fridays off. >> not quite fridays off but it did make the job more straight forward. and george thorus pledged more money to you today. why did he do that today and why didn't he do that before and what is the consequence of that? >> the consequence is that -- >> does it bring other rich democrats who gave to him, does it bring them out of the woodwork? >> is this the moment where we need to get involve snd. >> we are getting into this period where you are at the last moment where big investments are voting in the race. iowa is voting today. you can make investments in television add ver advertisements. i think a lot of democrats are feeling the election is here and even though mitt romney has not performed very well over the last two weeks, the president is barely knocking on 50% in the last two weeks. democrats are feeling the pressure and are concerned. >> when people are talking about giving maybe a seven figure donation, you were on the campaign side of it with normal donors year
you would be sticking him with the paul ryan budget before he picked paul ryan. >> i'm giving myself fridays off. >> not quite fridays off but it did make the job more straight forward. and george thorus pledged more money to you today. why did he do that today and why didn't he do that before and what is the consequence of that? >> the consequence is that -- >> does it bring other rich democrats who gave to him, does it bring them out of the woodwork? >> is this...
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. >> as long as we're talking about troublesome videos this clip of congressman paul ryan weighing in on the makers and the takers rose to the surface last night as well. >> before too long we could become a society we were never ever intended to be. we could become a society where the net majority of americans are takers not makers. 70% of americans get more benefits from the federal government in dollar value than they pay back in taxes. so you could argue that we're already passed that tipping point. the good news is, survey after survey, poll after poll, still shows that we are a center right 70/30 country. 70% of americans want the american dream. they believe in the american idea. only 30% want the welfare state. >> which video is more sensat n sensational? more of a game-changing contest modifier. joining us from the site of tonight's debate in denver is the man who knows from game change, emmy darling, "time" magazine and msnbc senior political analyst whose publication is out with an issue today, who's telling the truth, the fact wars. mark halperin, i've been trying to find
. >> as long as we're talking about troublesome videos this clip of congressman paul ryan weighing in on the makers and the takers rose to the surface last night as well. >> before too long we could become a society we were never ever intended to be. we could become a society where the net majority of americans are takers not makers. 70% of americans get more benefits from the federal government in dollar value than they pay back in taxes. so you could argue that we're already...
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ryan said he was essentially fed that tape along with a lot of other clips of paul ryan over the weekend that he essentially just got around to it now and posted it today. it does not seem to have been timed quite so acutely for debate eve in the way that the drudgery report was. at the same time, substantively the ryan tape seems to reenforce this 47% tape ha romney has had trouble with. do you see it as reenforcing that problem? >> i think politically it may reenforce the problem. the 47% comments were a huge deal. and they have been criticized by a lot of republicans. the points that paul ryan is making are different. politically they merge together. but it is a meritorious debate to have when you look at the level of dependency in the country. do we want to live in a country where people are receiving a net transfer with tax dollars? do we want to live in a country where a minority of people are the tax providers? do you want everybody to be a stake holder? do you want everybody to have skin in the game? these are arguments worthy of a presidential campaign. what paul ryan is talking
ryan said he was essentially fed that tape along with a lot of other clips of paul ryan over the weekend that he essentially just got around to it now and posted it today. it does not seem to have been timed quite so acutely for debate eve in the way that the drudgery report was. at the same time, substantively the ryan tape seems to reenforce this 47% tape ha romney has had trouble with. do you see it as reenforcing that problem? >> i think politically it may reenforce the problem. the...
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ron mott travels with paul ryan. joining me on the phone now from columbus, ron, what does the romney/ryan campaign think that paul ryan can do for its message in ohio? >> hey there, craig. good saturday to you. i think he is doing exactly what this ticket believes he can do. we just made a pit stop here at the varsity club on the ohio state university campus. going in to just meet people. and you can see people coming out of surrounding buildings to come see what all the fuss is about. this is the kind of excitement paul ryan generates with his ticket. i think that's why mitt romney ultimately chose him, because he can connect with people on a very real level. he is from wisconsin. he is a midwestern guy. he is a hunter and a fisherman. all the values that people hold near and dear in the midwest, this is paul ryan. so after this event today, though, he will be speaking to the national u.s. sportsmen alliance annual banquet. one of the challenge that this campaign has is that the message they're selling, at least he
ron mott travels with paul ryan. joining me on the phone now from columbus, ron, what does the romney/ryan campaign think that paul ryan can do for its message in ohio? >> hey there, craig. good saturday to you. i think he is doing exactly what this ticket believes he can do. we just made a pit stop here at the varsity club on the ohio state university campus. going in to just meet people. and you can see people coming out of surrounding buildings to come see what all the fuss is about....
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this has been a big 180 for the gop, ryan. santorum is saying that the entire gop needs to get behind akin. roy blount, who initially called for akin to step aside is saying voters will overlook akin's comments and vote for him. the "the huffington post" publication, has an interesting piece this morning where akin is responding to a question about voting against the lilly ledbetter act and saying it's all part of free enterprise and it's about freedom not paying women as much as men. >> that was the argument that was made against the civil rights act too, it's your business, you can do whatever you want with it. but i don't think it's that surprising that some republicans are coming back behind akin here. parties are generally speaking amoral. their job is to get themselves a majority in the senate or the house. whatever they need to do they're going to do to get there. now, it looked for a while like they were going to be able to push him off the ballot. so they all piled on. and they all had this, you know, spas. of more re
this has been a big 180 for the gop, ryan. santorum is saying that the entire gop needs to get behind akin. roy blount, who initially called for akin to step aside is saying voters will overlook akin's comments and vote for him. the "the huffington post" publication, has an interesting piece this morning where akin is responding to a question about voting against the lilly ledbetter act and saying it's all part of free enterprise and it's about freedom not paying women as much as men....
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opposed to ryan/romney, mark. >> when things go bad they go bad with increasing frequency. in september of 2000, we had a series of events like this and mishaps and everyone thought we should be fired, and then we went into the debates and went from 3 down to 3 up. stuff happens. politics is interesting. >> stuff happens. we're both from texas. >> we have six weeks left, tamron. >> i'm about keeping it hot and interesting, but i have to keep it real. based in reality, and i don't know if that's the case right now. >> mark is right. i think this is one of the things that concerns me about this election. this is not like 2008 where it was clear especially after the financial crisis that president obama or then senator obama was in a position to win that election. right now he's in a strong position. governor romney's campaign is clearly flailing, but there is still a lot of uncertainty underneath these numbers. i'm just being honest, because i think democrats need to keep that perspective. if governor romney does well in the debate -- i don't know he will, but if he does that
opposed to ryan/romney, mark. >> when things go bad they go bad with increasing frequency. in september of 2000, we had a series of events like this and mishaps and everyone thought we should be fired, and then we went into the debates and went from 3 down to 3 up. stuff happens. politics is interesting. >> stuff happens. we're both from texas. >> we have six weeks left, tamron. >> i'm about keeping it hot and interesting, but i have to keep it real. based in reality,...
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romney with 47% and ryan with 30%. we're 100%. >> can you remember a time where a political party has carved out a huge part of the country saying we don't like you, we don't respect you, we want to get rid of you with the way you live. >> that's the impression they're leaving. president eisenhower didn't do that, president nixon didn't do that, president reagan made us feel like we were all in it together. >> i've never seen a politician say, i'll take the other part of the vote. i'm not interested in your half, or in this case, 70% he's giving away. >> that's right. i have never heard such language. i think it will allow obama to extend the 47% argument to not only ryan but to the entire republican party. he can say, this is a party that slices and dices the american public. in some ways i think this argument about 30% of the people being lazy, 47% of the people being lazy, goes against the idea of american exceptionalism. how can america be that exceptional if 50% of the country is lazy? we know that's not true. ame
romney with 47% and ryan with 30%. we're 100%. >> can you remember a time where a political party has carved out a huge part of the country saying we don't like you, we don't respect you, we want to get rid of you with the way you live. >> that's the impression they're leaving. president eisenhower didn't do that, president nixon didn't do that, president reagan made us feel like we were all in it together. >> i've never seen a politician say, i'll take the other part of the...
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so i do think that ryan thinks about it. my sense is that he wants to get out there and be more in front on this ticket. whether that creates tension, i don't know. there's no question that at one point, mitt romney and paul ryan really liked one another, and really thought they were going to gel. we have not seen that yet. and frankly, they need to do that in october if they're going to begin to turn this campaign around. >> is this important to you? do you see they have to look like they like each other? look like a duet. >> and i haven't seen anything that shows that they don't personally like each other. they seem to be getting together fine on the bus. >> i think they're two different people. there's one person, we all know the terms, conviction politician. that's ryan. nobody would ever call mitt romney a conviction politician, ever. they're not to be confused. anyway, thank you john nichols, and thank you, michael shere. when we return or when i return, let me finish with the democratic party's big opportunity to beco
so i do think that ryan thinks about it. my sense is that he wants to get out there and be more in front on this ticket. whether that creates tension, i don't know. there's no question that at one point, mitt romney and paul ryan really liked one another, and really thought they were going to gel. we have not seen that yet. and frankly, they need to do that in october if they're going to begin to turn this campaign around. >> is this important to you? do you see they have to look like...
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go ahead. >> ryan is setting himself up to be -- ryan is setting himself up here to be what he has always wanted to be win or lose. so the election doesn't determine ryan's fate. if romney loses, there's going to be a huge chorus for the republican party saying it was just that guy's fault. it's not our ideas, it's not -- >> whose fault? >> mitt romney's fault. >> that's what i think. john, you're ready for the nation, not a right win ger, but they won't say that ryan has too much weight on the ticket. they will say it didn't have enough ideological weight to win. >> i think you're right about that but i also think that paul ryan is worried about that issue. and, you know, paul ryan is a very ambitious political player. he's a nice guy, hard worker, very disciplined. i think much more disciplined than mitt romney. >> but he's up at 4:00 in the morning and does pushups. it's pretty amazing. >> and hundreds of them. while watch you rage against the machine. but is he a disciplined player with a political career track. i think he is worried about being in the bottom of a badly losing ticket.
go ahead. >> ryan is setting himself up to be -- ryan is setting himself up here to be what he has always wanted to be win or lose. so the election doesn't determine ryan's fate. if romney loses, there's going to be a huge chorus for the republican party saying it was just that guy's fault. it's not our ideas, it's not -- >> whose fault? >> mitt romney's fault. >> that's what i think. john, you're ready for the nation, not a right win ger, but they won't say that ryan...
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paul ryan. the battle royal still to come. spoofs are a fun way the digital age has changed the campaigns and also a serious impact. think about it. twitter was still relatively fledgling four years ago. tonight for the first time, instant reaction from the crowd could shape the national post-debate conversation. just as much as the opinions of journalists and pundits do. so, let's do what journalists and pundits do and talk about it. i think, you know, twitter and -- and i mentioned this yesterday in "the rant," i mean, twitter is a really fun way to watch a debate. live tweeting through it, see what other people have to say. but it's also really changed the sperngs. you know, as we tease there, you get instant reaction to real-time events. it's completely democraticized the experience of getting news and watching politics because everyone can be a pundit and a news producer by retweeting what other people are saying. and it develops these real-time twitter means we've seen throughout the year, which i think have been really
paul ryan. the battle royal still to come. spoofs are a fun way the digital age has changed the campaigns and also a serious impact. think about it. twitter was still relatively fledgling four years ago. tonight for the first time, instant reaction from the crowd could shape the national post-debate conversation. just as much as the opinions of journalists and pundits do. so, let's do what journalists and pundits do and talk about it. i think, you know, twitter and -- and i mentioned this...
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>> well, i think you have to give mitt romney and paul ryan a great deem of credit. they are consistently ar r lyco matically wrong. they can't decide how much of the population should be treated with contempt, 47 or 30 sisters in a real numbers had problem amongst these guys that is why tonight is exciting because mitt romney has got to explain to us tonight how -- how the math works on a budget that proclaims a reduction in everyone's taxes by 20%. how does he do that, okay, alongside never raising any revenues and not telling us which deductions and loopholes he map plans to close. >> however, the balance of that is the president will also have to answer questions, how will he or 1,000 new science and math teachers been added to the rolls? how will 1 million more manufacturing jobs, that's cup one of the counter questions that the president will answer perhaps tonight as well. >> you could say the answer to that question was the americas jobs act stopped in congress and posed by republicans, which as you know, would have created almost 2 million jobs and by some e
>> well, i think you have to give mitt romney and paul ryan a great deem of credit. they are consistently ar r lyco matically wrong. they can't decide how much of the population should be treated with contempt, 47 or 30 sisters in a real numbers had problem amongst these guys that is why tonight is exciting because mitt romney has got to explain to us tonight how -- how the math works on a budget that proclaims a reduction in everyone's taxes by 20%. how does he do that, okay, alongside...
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i'm not sure he knows that paul ryan voted for that sequester or that at this point wars are the way you make new veterans if he's threatening new wars in iran and syria the way he's been so threatening on those issues. we need this debate. we have problems as a country, not getting the debate from the campaign but maybe next week we will start to. >> and on nbc and msnbc, we've got lester holt and richard engel and teams of correspondents also in the field, so we are going to be having that debate come hell or high water. >> do you feel like those issues can be brought into the campaign with less than 40 days, is there no chance that we're going to get there? >> i think that we have to force the issue, we in the media as well, we have to talk about things other than the polls and horse race and what's on twitter, beyond sort of the social media context -- >> the moment to moment stuff that people are fighting about and get to the policy. >> we also have two senate races that have gone seriously off the tracks. let's talk about massachusetts and missouri. >> massachusetts scott brown
i'm not sure he knows that paul ryan voted for that sequester or that at this point wars are the way you make new veterans if he's threatening new wars in iran and syria the way he's been so threatening on those issues. we need this debate. we have problems as a country, not getting the debate from the campaign but maybe next week we will start to. >> and on nbc and msnbc, we've got lester holt and richard engel and teams of correspondents also in the field, so we are going to be having...
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, governor romney said he's running on his budget and not congressman ryan's. let me play that. >> i have my budget plan, as you know, that i put out. that's the budget plan we're going to run on. >> you heard mitt romney there, so is it fair to assume he will follow paul ryan's blueprint? >> his senior adviser ed gillespie said if his budget reached his desk, he would have signed it. reverend norquist said the real leadership in the republican party is not located the in the oval office but in congress, and what republicans really need is sort of a human equivalent of up an auto pen. somebody with enough fingers to sign legislation. if you look at this legislation, it's not just a return to the days of george w. bush. on everything from environmental regulations to abortion to gun rights, it's worse than bush. so some of his centrist supporters they make this argument. this is a guy who seems to believe this is a base election, which is one of the reasons that he chose paul ryan. that he has a history of not only be a mode rate and they saw that when he was go
, governor romney said he's running on his budget and not congressman ryan's. let me play that. >> i have my budget plan, as you know, that i put out. that's the budget plan we're going to run on. >> you heard mitt romney there, so is it fair to assume he will follow paul ryan's blueprint? >> his senior adviser ed gillespie said if his budget reached his desk, he would have signed it. reverend norquist said the real leadership in the republican party is not located the in the...
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ryan says that too. it looked to me like that was working, that they were actually managing to sort of get to the president's left on medicare and attack him and say the president's going to cut your medicare, we're going to protect it. i don't know why it's not still working. >> here's why. so they've decided they're going to pick this fight on medicare. it's a bizarre fight they picked for the reasons you named. clearly they're the party that wants to shrink the entitlement state. you have to see what they say behind closed doors or read conservative blogs. we know what the conservative apparatus in the republican party thinks about the entitlement state. they want to say we're going to be more extravagant to you seniors. they made the mistake of picking a fight on an issue that the democrats have reputational capital built up over time. it's not sustainable. if democrats went out and convinced them that they were the party that would give tax cuts to the rich, it would not be possible. it's not credib
ryan says that too. it looked to me like that was working, that they were actually managing to sort of get to the president's left on medicare and attack him and say the president's going to cut your medicare, we're going to protect it. i don't know why it's not still working. >> here's why. so they've decided they're going to pick this fight on medicare. it's a bizarre fight they picked for the reasons you named. clearly they're the party that wants to shrink the entitlement state. you...
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paul ryan kicks off a bus tour of the buckeye state. >> i was teaching the kids the song on the way over here. >> we screw that up. of course, he's in iowa. not ohio. in an interview, romney was pressed for specifics on his tax plan. after ryan said on fox news on sunday the math would take too long to explain. >> you could say everybody is going to get up to a $70,000 deduction and can use your charitable deduction or home mortgage deduction or others. and you can fill that bucket if you will, the $17,000 bucket that way and higher income people might have a lower number. or you could do it by the same method that boll simpson did it. but that's the sort of thing you do with congress. >> so that's the most detail we have heard romney talk about this idea of different buckets and a cap on deductions. but still it's been at nearly every stop in the the last two weeks. romney has had to explain the 47% remark. don't be surprised if we hear a version of this answer when it comes up wednesday night. >> if you could go back to that fundraiser, would you have said it differently? >> it's not p
paul ryan kicks off a bus tour of the buckeye state. >> i was teaching the kids the song on the way over here. >> we screw that up. of course, he's in iowa. not ohio. in an interview, romney was pressed for specifics on his tax plan. after ryan said on fox news on sunday the math would take too long to explain. >> you could say everybody is going to get up to a $70,000 deduction and can use your charitable deduction or home mortgage deduction or others. and you can fill that...
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as we saw on that one campaign stop, the crowd cheering ryan, ryan, ryan. mitt romney had to correct him at who is at the top of the ticket. is there any way to avoid the tension when the vp candidate potentially overshadows the top of the ticket? >> no. i think roger simon was on to something when he talked about the campaign not going well. i don't have any personal knowledge that there's bad blood between ryan and romney, but there had been signing of trouble there. there were signs of trouble right away. remember when mitt romney went a little rogue himself on the subject of libya and essentially accused the president of treason. that's going way out on limb there. the vice president's job is to go right on that limb with him and cover the president's pack. but he didn't do that. he let mitt romney hang out there on his own. if there's a problem here, i imagine it has to do with ambition. that's what roger simon was touching on. paul ryan was supposed to bring excitement to the romney campaign. instead he brought a lot of pants on fire ratings from the
as we saw on that one campaign stop, the crowd cheering ryan, ryan, ryan. mitt romney had to correct him at who is at the top of the ticket. is there any way to avoid the tension when the vp candidate potentially overshadows the top of the ticket? >> no. i think roger simon was on to something when he talked about the campaign not going well. i don't have any personal knowledge that there's bad blood between ryan and romney, but there had been signing of trouble there. there were signs of...
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. >> in paul ryan's state. mind boggling. >> we will talk more about the campaign realities after the break. you are looking live at the clinton global initiative in new york city. president obama is expected to speak there in just a few moments. we will bring you his remarks live next on "now." bob... oh, hey alex. just picking up some, brochures, posters copies of my acceptance speech. great! it's always good to have a backup plan, in case i get hit by a meteor. wow, your hair looks great. didn't realize they did photoshop here. hey, good call on those mugs. can't let 'em see what you're drinking. you know, i'm glad we're both running a nice, clean race. no need to get nasty. here's your "honk if you had an affair with taylor" yard sign. looks good. [ male announcer ] fedex office. now save 50% on banners. something this delicious could only come from nature. now from the maker of splenda sweeteners, discover nectresse. the only 100% natural, no-calorie sweetener made from the goodness of fruit. the rich, swe
. >> in paul ryan's state. mind boggling. >> we will talk more about the campaign realities after the break. you are looking live at the clinton global initiative in new york city. president obama is expected to speak there in just a few moments. we will bring you his remarks live next on "now." bob... oh, hey alex. just picking up some, brochures, posters copies of my acceptance speech. great! it's always good to have a backup plan, in case i get hit by a meteor. wow,...
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ryan. >> steve s there anything they can do tonight or mr. romney can do to really push that needle, particularly in the swing states? >> i think there are two things to look at here. the problem for romney is this, he is constrained in very serious ways in a form like this where his party is. president republican party in response to obama's election moved fartherer to the right. there are demands from republicans, if you are mitt romney and you're going to be specific on the issues, there are demands you articulate an extremely conservative -- >> i'm sorry to interrupt you. on alter things romney will do that, he'll swing back to the middle on the economy, swing back to the middle on immigration. you think he won't? >> he can do that in broad strokes. i think he's very good at that. the question is then this, what does barack obama or what does jim lehrer do as the moderator. he will anticipate a broad strokes vision about his tax plan. then the question becomes, how do you pay for it? you're going to cut taxes for everybody. it's going to
ryan. >> steve s there anything they can do tonight or mr. romney can do to really push that needle, particularly in the swing states? >> i think there are two things to look at here. the problem for romney is this, he is constrained in very serious ways in a form like this where his party is. president republican party in response to obama's election moved fartherer to the right. there are demands from republicans, if you are mitt romney and you're going to be specific on the...
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ryan. joining us from washington, julian epstein, who is a democratic strategist, and ken vogel, chief investigative reporter for polpolitico. paul ryan has conceded that mitt romney's 47% comments were inarticulate. they seem to acknowledge that the 47%, largely the elderly, working poor, veterans, but now ryan sounds as if he agrees with mitt. which is it? >> that's right. you could imagine john mccain in 2008 saying, wait a second, that 47% is made up of veterans who have paid their debt to society with blood literally. it's made up of mostly working people, most of that 47% are working americans, working middle class, working poor. >> hard working who earn less than $30,000 a year. >> or even $40,000 or $50,000 and many of those -- many of that 47% is made up of seniors. you know, this network is going to have a new poll later today that's going to show the race tightening and the national numbers but not in the battleground states i think. one of the big reasons for that, one of the bi
ryan. joining us from washington, julian epstein, who is a democratic strategist, and ken vogel, chief investigative reporter for polpolitico. paul ryan has conceded that mitt romney's 47% comments were inarticulate. they seem to acknowledge that the 47%, largely the elderly, working poor, veterans, but now ryan sounds as if he agrees with mitt. which is it? >> that's right. you could imagine john mccain in 2008 saying, wait a second, that 47% is made up of veterans who have paid their...
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it's ryan's second event today. he was in new hampshire this morning, arguing that president obama can't be trusted to deal with the national debt and that mitt romney can. >> as a result of the president's advocation of leadership, as a result of seeing the most predictable economic crisis in our country's history and not fixing it, our credit rating was downgraded for the first time in our history. when mitt romney was governor, the credit rating of his state was upgraded. that's the kind of change that we'll get with a mitt romney presidency. >> governor scott walker, republican from wisconsin, is also in new hampshire today, stumping on behalf of the romney campaign. earlier today, he spoke at the state's gop convention. meanwhile, today, vice president joe biden is in florida. he wrapped up an event in ft. myers not long ago, where he said mitt romney and paul ryan will block any bipartisan attempts to reduce the debt. >> paul ryan even voted against the simpson/bowles plan he talked about now, as a member of t
it's ryan's second event today. he was in new hampshire this morning, arguing that president obama can't be trusted to deal with the national debt and that mitt romney can. >> as a result of the president's advocation of leadership, as a result of seeing the most predictable economic crisis in our country's history and not fixing it, our credit rating was downgraded for the first time in our history. when mitt romney was governor, the credit rating of his state was upgraded. that's the...
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here's paul ryan on fox news sunday. >> lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works. and you can -- >> but i have to -- you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. let me say it this way, you can lower tax rates by 20% across the board, by closing loopholes and still have preferences for the middle class for things like charitable deductions for home purchases, for health care. >> where is the math? and is mitt romney going to be under pressure in this debate to produce the specifics as to how it will all add up? >> well, andrea, first that's a laughable question. where's the president's plan? he's had four years, 23 million people don't have work. so let's start with that. >> the question was asked by -- the question was asked by chris wallace on fox, being asked by other republicans, where is the math, how do you add up those tax cuts, even eliminating some deductions, which deductions would you eliminate, let's be specific and how will you do that and reach deficit reduction, which programs wil
here's paul ryan on fox news sunday. >> lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works. and you can -- >> but i have to -- you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. let me say it this way, you can lower tax rates by 20% across the board, by closing loopholes and still have preferences for the middle class for things like charitable deductions for home purchases, for health care. >> where is...
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in 2010, vice presidential running mate paul ryan told the truth about offshore accounts. >> we don't want to have a situation where we are penalizing businesses for keeping their money, their capitol capital, their headquarters and their manufacturing facilities in america. so then rather than having ireland and the cayman islands be the haven for capital formation, the place where you hide your money, why don't we make it america? >> more than 800 pages of romney's tax returns, two-thirds are devoted to foreign investments. maybe this is why romney's returns list the united states of america as a foreign country. you can understand the confusion. romney's blind trust investments also raised eyebrows. romney himself has called a blind trust an age-old rouge. and said you can give a blind trust rules. but in his 2011 returns, romney didn't have many rules about chinese investments. keep in mind mitt romney all along has been the candidate who says that president obama did not stand up to china. on the campaign trail and in the debates, romney has railed against china's trade tactics.
in 2010, vice presidential running mate paul ryan told the truth about offshore accounts. >> we don't want to have a situation where we are penalizing businesses for keeping their money, their capitol capital, their headquarters and their manufacturing facilities in america. so then rather than having ireland and the cayman islands be the haven for capital formation, the place where you hide your money, why don't we make it america? >> more than 800 pages of romney's tax returns,...
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that was after his running mate, paul ryan, also of wisconsin, used the monday night football debacle as a convenient political metaphor. >> did you watch that packer game last night? i mean, give me a break. it is time to get the real refs. you know what? it reminds me of president obama and the economy. if you can't get it right, it is time to get out. >>> all of the pressure and not necessarily from politicians helped bring about a deal between the nfl and the referee's union late wednesday night. the real refs got a standing ovation before thursday night's browns/ravens game in baltimore. here is what makes that scene hilarious. ask any sports fan, player or coach, the least popular man or woman on the field is the one holding the wlislhistle. people hate referees. that is partly as a function. despite the striped uniforms, they are meant to be invisible. we only notice them when they mess up or as it seems when they are gone and not there doing their jobs as professionals. allow me a metaphor of my own. to me, this is part of the labor image we all need to see in america as a who
that was after his running mate, paul ryan, also of wisconsin, used the monday night football debacle as a convenient political metaphor. >> did you watch that packer game last night? i mean, give me a break. it is time to get the real refs. you know what? it reminds me of president obama and the economy. if you can't get it right, it is time to get out. >>> all of the pressure and not necessarily from politicians helped bring about a deal between the nfl and the referee's union...
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there's a possibility that this is because of ryan in a whole bunch of ways and obama has never been able to close the deal for seniors. he looks like a whipper snapper compared to john mccain or barack obama. ryan who is younger, who doesn't understand the concerns of older americans more, if so, i think since 1992, actually, the party -- if obama were to go on to win, since '92, the party with more sober and serious vice presidential candidate actually will prevail. >> very interesting. mona eltahawy. october is breast cancer awareness month and since i'm associated with pink now, i am encouraging those to self-exam and get mammograms and seeing as i've been associated with the anti-muslim post -- will you come out to a subway station with me where i will take off my blouse and bare breasted dem station in store of my tattoo. >>> i hope you're watching. reporters, i want -- jeffrey toob in, author of the oath, the obama white house. barbara arn wine for the -- akil ammar and egyptian american journalist, mona eltahawy. >> our guests will include joseph stig litz, columbia universit
there's a possibility that this is because of ryan in a whole bunch of ways and obama has never been able to close the deal for seniors. he looks like a whipper snapper compared to john mccain or barack obama. ryan who is younger, who doesn't understand the concerns of older americans more, if so, i think since 1992, actually, the party -- if obama were to go on to win, since '92, the party with more sober and serious vice presidential candidate actually will prevail. >> very interesting....
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paul ryan budget, they're not running on the paul ryan budget. i don't know why they put him on the ticket. >> oh, my god. >> you can do what mitt romney has done. stay away from that stuff as much as you can and you can run this message of, hey, i'm the protest vehicle. if you're unhappy where the economy is, vote out obama. that's the better calculation. we're just finding out that's not enough, but the alternative is worse. >> the alternative is no real alternative because i don't know any republican that toed the far right line in the primaries would have got through the primaries. i looked at some of the positions mitt romney was forced to take. he had to say he would vote no on a 10-1 spending deal. he talked about self-deport addition as an immigration solution. he embraced the paul ryan budget calling it marvelous and medicare vouchers and personhood which is so extreme it failed on the ballot in mississippi, arguably the most pro-life state in the country. one that hurt him in ohio is his embrace of the anti-union ohio sb 5 ballot initia
paul ryan budget, they're not running on the paul ryan budget. i don't know why they put him on the ticket. >> oh, my god. >> you can do what mitt romney has done. stay away from that stuff as much as you can and you can run this message of, hey, i'm the protest vehicle. if you're unhappy where the economy is, vote out obama. that's the better calculation. we're just finding out that's not enough, but the alternative is worse. >> the alternative is no real alternative because...
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>> well, we are seeing -- i think paul ryan is right. we're seeing the obama foreign policy dissolve in front of our eyes. we do have all hell breaking loose in the middle east. we have protests, people getting killed in afghanistan. all these situations. and obama promised that we would get out of these situations. he promised that things would be better if he were president. they seem to be getting worse. i think it's all fair. you have to talk about whether foreign policy is working and whether the president's economic policies are working. right now it seems neither are working. that's why we need to replace the president. >> maybe that's why. it raised eyebrows a couple days before the debate that the op-ed mitt romney wrote. here's what he said slamming the president on foreign policy. by failing to maintain the elements of our influence and stepping away from our alleys, president obama has heightened the prospect of conflict and instability. he does not understand an american policy that lacks resolve can provoke aggression. the
>> well, we are seeing -- i think paul ryan is right. we're seeing the obama foreign policy dissolve in front of our eyes. we do have all hell breaking loose in the middle east. we have protests, people getting killed in afghanistan. all these situations. and obama promised that we would get out of these situations. he promised that things would be better if he were president. they seem to be getting worse. i think it's all fair. you have to talk about whether foreign policy is working...
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i mean, paul ryan was right in the center of it. and now you're going to make him vice president of the united states, in charge of opposing infrastructure building. it makes no sense. the country cannot work if we don't invest both in people's education and in the infrastructure, and romney has no record of it, and paul ryan has a record of being against it. so i don't see how anybody's going to vote for them. >> on the stage, the theatrics of it all and the semantics of it as well, mike rowe is up there talking about the very people that mitt romney was dissing behind closed doors at that fund-raiser. he can't say it about them, but maybe this guy can. maybe i'll hand the microphone to this guy, this guy named mike rowe, who wears a workman's hat and a sweatshirt and goes around and has pretty good visibility, maybe he can get up there and say that i really do care about these folks. i find this of somewhat of a desperate move, the choreography of all of this. >> well, it's really based, ed, on the idea that the american people ar
i mean, paul ryan was right in the center of it. and now you're going to make him vice president of the united states, in charge of opposing infrastructure building. it makes no sense. the country cannot work if we don't invest both in people's education and in the infrastructure, and romney has no record of it, and paul ryan has a record of being against it. so i don't see how anybody's going to vote for them. >> on the stage, the theatrics of it all and the semantics of it as well, mike...
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take me too long to go through all the math. >> this is not the first time romney was challenged or ryan on the vagueness of the proposal. back in 1994 romney talked about a plan to tackle health care up in massachusetts. actually nationwide. but never explain what had cost would be, the cost of the program. his opponent in the race back then was ted kennedy memorably challenging him on that debate. let's watch ou it's done. here is where you are challenge a guy to come clean, especially when he can't do it. let's watch. >> they ought to have an opportunity to know. what is the kotion of your program? >> i don't have a cost of my program. >> you don't have a cost. >> i'm sorry, i don't have the -- >> that's interesting. >> i don't have the congressional -- >> what will be the cost in terms of the tax incentives that you provide? what will be the impact of that on the budget? >> well, i do not know the specific number -- >> you don't know the costs. >> i think it's a wonderful idea to take it through piece by piece and -- >> that's what you have to do as a legislature. that's exactly what
take me too long to go through all the math. >> this is not the first time romney was challenged or ryan on the vagueness of the proposal. back in 1994 romney talked about a plan to tackle health care up in massachusetts. actually nationwide. but never explain what had cost would be, the cost of the program. his opponent in the race back then was ted kennedy memorably challenging him on that debate. let's watch ou it's done. here is where you are challenge a guy to come clean, especially...
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i want to play paul ryan. he did a live interview with bloomberg this morning. here is what he had to say about what he expects to see from president obama. >> president is not telling the truth about what we are proposing. he can't run his record so he has to distort mitt romney's record. he has to divide the country to distract the country to win by default. >> here is what you hear over and over again, distort the record. governor romney saying in a prior interview with "meet the press," the president wouldn't be truthful. what is your response to the romney campaign seeing mitt romney, seeing paul ryan predicting the president to be untruthful? >> that is an interesting talking point coming from candidates whose convention was based on a tripod of lies, talking about a welfare reform attack president clinton called false in the architect of welfare reform called false. blaming the president for the closure of a gm plant that was slated for closure during the previous administration. here are the facts. the $5 trillion tax plan that mitt romney and paul ryan
i want to play paul ryan. he did a live interview with bloomberg this morning. here is what he had to say about what he expects to see from president obama. >> president is not telling the truth about what we are proposing. he can't run his record so he has to distort mitt romney's record. he has to divide the country to distract the country to win by default. >> here is what you hear over and over again, distort the record. governor romney saying in a prior interview with...
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quote, romney/ryan doing more to fight the spread of lyme disease. this is first posted today by mother johns. here's another page of the flyer. what can a president do about lyme disease? really now? is mitt romney running for president because of tick-borne illness? really? or is somebody else on the campaign food chain making the decisions about what to campaign on? because it is when the freelancing happens, when people start getting desperate and taking matters into their own hands, that then maybe you get a presidential campaign that's trying to be about tick-borne diseases related to deer. maybe that will work in northern virginia? and sometimes it's your buddy, the other mogul with the yacht singing your yacht parking praises. because who among us has not had this challenge. then sometimes it's exactly what you think it's going to be. >> y'all sound like y'all are senior citizens, right? yeah, we don't want -- you don't want obama. you really don't want obama, because he'll get rid of your medicare. you might as well say good-bye to it. yeah,
quote, romney/ryan doing more to fight the spread of lyme disease. this is first posted today by mother johns. here's another page of the flyer. what can a president do about lyme disease? really now? is mitt romney running for president because of tick-borne illness? really? or is somebody else on the campaign food chain making the decisions about what to campaign on? because it is when the freelancing happens, when people start getting desperate and taking matters into their own hands, that...
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ivy league will enjoy biden versus ryan more. trust me. >>> turning back to the brand new battleground polls. there's a different pattern emerging, president obama is ahead in new hampshire, tighter in nevada and north carolina. joining me, director of the marist poll. good to see you in person. >> welcome to the home of the new york yankees. >> you're going to blow the playoff run. >> i am worried. >> we want the beltway series in washington. we have been looking at this as sort of the generic, the general all nine states. what is your take away? >> i think what you're seeing is a very big difference when obama is 45, 46 as months ago when everything was 44, now he gets to 48, 49, 50, you can say it makes a difference -- >> it does feel like 48 is a big difference -- >> seeing a change in the right direction in the approval rating. >> massive gender gaps. two places stuck out, nevada and new hampshire, look at this. 16 point gender gap in nevada among women. leads by 20 among women in new hampshire. social issues, any time that
ivy league will enjoy biden versus ryan more. trust me. >>> turning back to the brand new battleground polls. there's a different pattern emerging, president obama is ahead in new hampshire, tighter in nevada and north carolina. joining me, director of the marist poll. good to see you in person. >> welcome to the home of the new york yankees. >> you're going to blow the playoff run. >> i am worried. >> we want the beltway series in washington. we have been...
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it's not really clear where he stands vis-a-vis ryan and ryan's budget. he promised us his own budget, but it has yet to appear. and so there is no real coherence to the message now that he's finding himself out of the primary season. >> still about 40 days till election day. time to turn around. steve, we'll look at your charts a little later. >>> coming up next, we'll bring in chuck todd, joe klein of "time" magazine and paul simon, how about that. kerry washington also going to join us. >>> and up next, jim vandehei with a look at the "politico playbook" and steve ratner with reasons that may explain the surge in the polls. >>> first bill karins with a look at the forecast. >> unfortunately some rainy areas, new york city one of them. we saw that with our times square shot. another area, thunderstorms pushing into portions of jersey. if you're leaving the house in philadelphia, the rain has begun. i-95 from philly to wilmington, probably one of the worst highway drives. eventually these will work from southern jersey from long branch towards atlantic c
it's not really clear where he stands vis-a-vis ryan and ryan's budget. he promised us his own budget, but it has yet to appear. and so there is no real coherence to the message now that he's finding himself out of the primary season. >> still about 40 days till election day. time to turn around. steve, we'll look at your charts a little later. >>> coming up next, we'll bring in chuck todd, joe klein of "time" magazine and paul simon, how about that. kerry washington...
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but also this sense that the austerity measures that the romney/ryan campaign are suggesting just are not flying with the american people. i got to say, i still think george w. bush gives the president some cover on this. if you start talking about susan rice having misled the people on benghazi. isn't it easy to point out the weapons of mass destruction argument? there's already a president who was re-elected in the context of actively -- active deception towards the american people. >> i think this is a bigger deal for susan rice if she wants to be secretary of state than barack obama being re-elected. >> you think susan rice is going to be secretary of state. i thought it was kerry. interesting. >> both those names are in the hat. >> senator kerry has given a lot -- a bit of cover to susan rice this week suggesting that in fact he believes that she handled it appropriately. >> i will contend this race isn't over yet. i hope they keep picking cabinet members. i'll give you some of our names in a little while. >> i went straight to second term there. sorry about that imt when is a de
but also this sense that the austerity measures that the romney/ryan campaign are suggesting just are not flying with the american people. i got to say, i still think george w. bush gives the president some cover on this. if you start talking about susan rice having misled the people on benghazi. isn't it easy to point out the weapons of mass destruction argument? there's already a president who was re-elected in the context of actively -- active deception towards the american people. >>...